Comments on: The hand of god, revisited. http://synapses.co.za/hand-god-revisited/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hand-god-revisited one neuron at a time is better than nothing Mon, 21 May 2012 14:02:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: SA Blog Awards 2010 | Synapseshttp://synapses.co.za/hand-god-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-495 SA Blog Awards 2010 | Synapses Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:01:22 +0000 http://synapses.co.za/?p=538#comment-495 [...] The hand of god, revisited. [...] [...] The hand of god, revisited. [...]

]]> By: Dear Uruguay | 6000 miles from civilisation...http://synapses.co.za/hand-god-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-463 Dear Uruguay | 6000 miles from civilisation... Wed, 07 Jul 2010 09:55:26 +0000 http://synapses.co.za/?p=538#comment-463 [...] Some more posts on this, from Jacques Rousseau and Jeremy Nell. This entry was posted in World Cup 2010, annoying people, in the news, sport, [...] [...] Some more posts on this, from Jacques Rousseau and Jeremy Nell. This entry was posted in World Cup 2010, annoying people, in the news, sport, [...]

]]> By: Jacqueshttp://synapses.co.za/hand-god-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-462 Jacques Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:06:02 +0000 http://synapses.co.za/?p=538#comment-462 While I weaseled out of actually saying that I'd want John Terry (or Robert Green, perhaps) to do the same thing, I'm personally quite conflicted about this. I agree with you entirely that there would be plenty of shame and embarrassment, and one would have difficulty ever being proud about a victory gained under these circumstance. But the conflict emerges when I think about all the more mundane cheating, that happens all the time. All teams (?) have players who dive, or commit intentional fouls. So by extension, most victories involve cheating - yet we don't feel that those are cheapened, because everybody does it. Is there some sort of principled way to separate "extreme" cheating from the more mundane cases, to allow for pride in those other victories? While I weaseled out of actually saying that I’d want John Terry (or Robert Green, perhaps) to do the same thing, I’m personally quite conflicted about this. I agree with you entirely that there would be plenty of shame and embarrassment, and one would have difficulty ever being proud about a victory gained under these circumstance.

But the conflict emerges when I think about all the more mundane cheating, that happens all the time. All teams (?) have players who dive, or commit intentional fouls. So by extension, most victories involve cheating – yet we don’t feel that those are cheapened, because everybody does it. Is there some sort of principled way to separate “extreme” cheating from the more mundane cases, to allow for pride in those other victories?

]]> By: Dominichttp://synapses.co.za/hand-god-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-459 Dominic Mon, 05 Jul 2010 10:03:41 +0000 http://synapses.co.za/?p=538#comment-459 Don't really agree with you here I'm afraid. Personally I would prefer England to lose (yes even if it was in the final) than to have won by such means. I would be embarrassed and the victory would be cheapened. Having said that, I do agree that the main culprits in this are Fifa for not fully addressing the issue. If players know that there will be no real consequences for their actions then temptation will invariably win the day over moral conduct. A years retrospective ban from international sport would give some food for thought. Don’t really agree with you here I’m afraid. Personally I would prefer England to lose (yes even if it was in the final) than to have won by such means. I would be embarrassed and the victory would be cheapened. Having said that, I do agree that the main culprits in this are Fifa for not fully addressing the issue. If players know that there will be no real consequences for their actions then temptation will invariably win the day over moral conduct. A years retrospective ban from international sport would give some food for thought.

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