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  2. Nel
    Nel November 19, 2010 at 8:01 pm | | Reply

    Thank you, I’ve learned something

  3. murraybiscuit
    murraybiscuit November 22, 2010 at 1:02 am | | Reply

    i’m currently a consequentialist/utilitarian

    i haven’t read harris’ work, but i did watch a ted talk which i fairly strongly disagreed with in terms of his approach to moral judgement of other cultures. for example, he holds female circumcision in africa to be a global evil, but says nothing of male circumcision in america. he seemed to have an agenda, and the audience seemed sympathetic to his cause. perhaps that was just an isolated view or some kind of ted-rhetoric…

    i think that the murder scenario posed in one of the earlier articles to decry the golden rule isn’t applied fairly to the scenario and that the golden rule still remains, necessarily, the foundation for social justice and rule of law. although, i’d add the silver rule in a personal context, as the golden rule doesn’t necessarily provide much motive for positive action.

    i’m also trying to see a way in which, essentially, moral action can be judged apart from its utility to the individual and society. perhaps you have some ideas…

    nice posts, i’m enjoying the blog.

  4. Patrick
    Patrick November 25, 2010 at 5:19 pm | | Reply

    This was an excellent read, as usual. Thanks. But this bit really surprised me:

    > subjective welfare … is absolutely unreliable as a guide to what we should do…

    I read on to the end, but felt I should return to this sentence. I must confess, I’m a little confused by it.

    How do we know that humans are flourishing without recourse to their subjective welfare?

    There is a bit of a micro-macro problem in here, I think. On the micro-level it’s easy (and I’d say morally crucial) to measure subjective welfare; on the macro level it’s almost impossible. So if you’re talking only about macro-level moral policy from a pragmatic point of view then no quibble. Are you?

    I regard it as a moral good to spend half an hour meditating in the morning and evening. Objectively, this ‘action’ is almost totally neutral: I just sit there. I don’t kill things, so that’s good, but I don’t help people either. I use up oxygen, and sometimes I cultivate an altruistic state of mind. I can argue that I’m helping myself in order to help others (and the motivation to help others is the traditional one before starting) but really what makes me do it is subjective wellbeing. Afterwards, and especially if I keep it up for a while, I feel a lot better than I do if I don’t meditate. To me, this subjective welfare seems the only reliable guide as to what I should do!

    On the macro level, it also seems to me that a policy of encouraging and teaching people to meditate would be a moral one (it would fall under health, in the same way that encouraging and teaching people to exercise and eat a balanced diet would be a moral). What objective measure could inform such a policy? If science discovered that meditation practice correlated significantly with increased subjective welfare, would that constitute an objective measure that could inform policy?

  5. farzana karim
    farzana karim December 10, 2011 at 3:26 pm | | Reply

    Thanks jacques, I search like this article and i also enrich my knowledge this information.

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