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  1. 6000
    6000 June 16, 2010 at 12:52 pm | | Reply

    Of course, singing and chanting also expels enough “germs” to spread flu, swine flu, TB, pneumonia or whatever else you might not wish to catch at a footy match. Take it to the extreme and get Sepp to ban breathing, perhaps. :-)

    I don’t necessarily follow the longevity aspect of the “culture” argument either, but like it or not, vuvuzelas have been part of South African football since before 2006 when Uncle Sepp told us we could have our big party. Does something actually have to have centuries of tradition in order to be declared a valid component of the South African game, anyway?

    The noise in the stadiums has never bothered me at all, certainly not caused me any aural pain and I believe that the risks are way overstated. Whatever anyone says, the noise from any individual vuvuzela is NOT continuous, nor is it aimed directly into your ear as it would be aimed directly into the sonometer for their readings.

    But why are we fighting over this? FIFA have spoken and the vuvuzela is staying.

    1. Jacques
      Jacques June 16, 2010 at 2:20 pm | | Reply

      Of course, singing and chanting also expels enough “germs” to spread flu, swine flu, TB, pneumonia or whatever else you might not wish to catch at a footy match.

      Sure, but the issue is finding a balance. There are various sorts of risks/threats (some/many of them overstated), and here we can legitimately ask whether the vuvuzela adds significant additional risk to merit its limitation, in the context of it causing annoyance to some. I don’t think annoyance alone should win the day, but if the experience would not be significantly diminished in the absence of the vuvuzela, its role in spreading nuisances should be factored in.

      Does something actually have to have centuries of tradition in order to be declared a valid component of the South African game, anyway?

      Of course, any particular cut-off date is going to be arbitrary. But note that your response is not in the tone of the initial (and many current) defenses of the vuvuzela, who seem to imagine that it’s something that’s been an eternal part of football culture. Since that’s been exposed as an untruth, now people are saying things like what you have. And therein lies a slippery slope – can I claim something developed yesterday as part of my culture? It seems to me that there is a pre-existing cultural trope – that of singing and chanting – which is being washed away here. And of course people can change their minds as to cultural expression, but then they should use different arguments. Like saying, we don’t want to sing anymore – we want to blow vuvuzelas. That would be honest. To say, you’re criticising us, therefore our culture, therefore you are an imperialist, is dishonest (and racist).

      The noise in the stadiums has never bothered me at all, certainly not caused me any aural pain and I believe that the risks are way overstated. Whatever anyone says, the noise from any individual vuvuzela is NOT continuous, nor is it aimed directly into your ear as it would be aimed directly into the sonometer for their readings.

      I can’t dispute the value-judgement part of this argument, and haven’t tried to. If you don’t mind them, then you’re obviously in luck!

      But why are we fighting over this? FIFA have spoken and the vuvuzela is staying.

      An argument from futility? This is surprising, in that the issues are not only potentially precedent-setting, but are also a touchstone for some serious racial and political issues in SA. I’m sure you wouldn’t say the same sort of thing if FIFA were to ban attendance at games, or if the government were to ban the liberal press. Sometimes things are accepted as true, or endorsed by an authority, yet they are still wrong. This may not be one of those cases -or it may be. But either way, what FIFA has ruled doesn’t clarify the issues at all.

  2. Phillip Gibb
    Phillip Gibb June 18, 2010 at 8:59 am | | Reply

    gosh, now that you mention it. The act of blowing the Vuvuzela is the same as spraying saliva over everyone in front of you. How many liters get thrown in the air by 50000 people in a stadium. A lot of sick people going back home, overseas, after the World cup.
    opps
    I am pretty sure us South Africans are hardier

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